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wanted name

charlieWaite — Sun, 07 Sep 2008 14:37:43 GMT

I am starting a new reenactment group in norfolk but besides needing more members i can not think of one decent name that has,nt been taken allready.... open to all suggestions !!!
charlie waite

Forum: Western History & Re-enactment Forum

floods

coyote — Sun, 07 Sep 2008 11:31:57 GMT

caught a bit of the early news about flooding but didn't catch where it was i sincerely hope none of our members have suffered in this latest disaster

Coyote

Forum: The Camp Fire

henry at work

luckylou — Sun, 07 Sep 2008 11:30:37 GMT

Video clip of another classic gun
http://s278.photobucket.com/player.swf?file=http://vid278.photobucket.com/albums/kk113/luckyloudiamond/100_1156.flv&fs=1&os=1&ap=1
Lou, and yes i wasnt wearing a hat monte!!!!

Forum: Guns of the Old West

dry-gulch

joncopperhead — Sun, 07 Sep 2008 00:25:57 GMT

cracking night at the barn,good music and company.didn`t know that gus could line dance.thanks again to ray and sue for a smashing time.regards jon c...

Forum: The Camp Fire

THE GOOD THE BAD AND THE UGLY ON IN LIVERPOOL

oneeyedjack — Sat, 06 Sep 2008 21:58:45 GMT

I HAVE JUST COME BCK FROM THE FACT CINEMA IN LIVERPOOL WHERE I HAVE JUST SEEN FOR A FEW DOLLAR MORE ,FISTFULL OF DOLLARS ON YESTERDAY,THE GOOD THE BAD AND THE UGLY ON SUNDAY AT 5.30 I HAVE MY TICKET ,COME AND JOIN ME.

Forum: Western Movies

where are they now?

CharliesAngel — Sat, 06 Sep 2008 21:06:32 GMT

Where have you all gone?
Boots drying out his trousers after wading through the mud to get out of cliveden.
Shanewolfe and Lindy are playing Top trumps
Lanks is doing his reaesrch on Old West Newspapers
Django is recovering from his birthday trip to Fleet
Luckylou and Copperhead are buying new hats
Coyotes sewing a new thread
and Charlie Waite....well he's run out of beer...Lock up your fridges
Angel

Forum: The Camp Fire

Plane holster

Don — Sat, 06 Sep 2008 21:01:27 GMT

finished this today, it is one of my favorites from packing iron, sorry about the lighting, Don

Forum: 'Did you make it yourself?'

MY WESTERN ART??

CHANCE7 — Sat, 06 Sep 2008 16:30:39 GMT

Heres a one of my paintings and a link to others.
Chance7
http://s334.photobucket.com/albums/m417/GRAHAM_L/

Forum: 'Did you make it yourself?'

Hawken in action

luckylou — Sat, 06 Sep 2008 15:05:24 GMT

Probebly better known as a "kentucky long rifle" heres one being modled by copperhead on the range.What a great gun and very acurate

Lou

Forum: Guns of the Old West

Event Gun Marshalling-Wyatt.

ShaneWolfe — Sat, 06 Sep 2008 11:43:19 GMT

Self-regulation and Gun Marshalling

Interested Parties: UKWF, HMG, ACPO, and all 'westerners'

Objectives: to try and gather all western clubs of all types and persuasions, under one umbrella federation, i.e. U.K.W.F., who can lobby and negociate for al affilliated clubs/organisations in what is to be considered as being their best interests of continuance of their rites to own and possess blank firing replica pistols and long guns of the 'western' period, i.e. prior to 1880 within the North American continent.

Future punative legislation will affect everyone, so it is in the interests of all to join together and speak with one voice. Remember, the native americans spoke with many voices and were all but wiped out!!

What we are trying to put together is a program of self regulation, endeavouring to chase the bad hats and bandits out of our chosen hobby (or is it our chosen way of life?)

Already the more reputable traders who deal in the sale of historically correct replica blank firing western guns aree regulating themselves by only selling to customers who are bona-fide members of a known re-enactment or living history club or group. We must now follow suit.

How do we set about making a start ?

A very ;good start point could be for ALL western/country music/authentic events where blank firing weapons are being or intended to be used to be 'policed' by trained and qualified Gun Marshals.

This leads us into what we need to do in finding and training our Gun Marshals:

Temperament and personality:

Our Marshals should be sober and even tempered, well able to keep their cool in any and all situations, the ability to diffuse, rather than exacerbate a situation is essential. A pleasant happy personality, but with the ability to act swiftly and decisively are a must. The ability to command without intimidation or bullying

Pre-Cons:

Our Marshals must not have any previous convictions for firearm or violent/serious assault. My thoughts on this are: if a situation developed and eventually ended up in court, the qualification of our Gun Marshal, as well as UKWF could be called into question. I am aware that this is a difficult point, but risk assess it, perhaps you could reach the same conclusions that I did.

Qualifications:

Ideally, a Marshal should be the holder of an Explosives/FAC/SGC or have recent experience of serving within HM Forces/Civil Forces, preferably within a combat situation. 'Recent' could need qualifying, but possibly within the past 15 years or so ?. He/she should be able to display a thorough knowledge of the weapons in use within our 'western' hobby. The kowledge of what can go wrong, likewise is essential. He/she should be able to recognise /non western' weaponry as well.

Training:

Very hard topic. At preset UKWF and Lone Star do not have 'trained' Marshals, so I would suggest that we set a minimum benchmark using the very best of the Gun Marshals we have operating at this moment in time. I am able to think of a number, all of whom I have met over our weekend at Malvern. Accepting these Marshals as the 'standard' then we have to train up to that standard, and the easiest way would be to try and select the 'best' Marshal we have and put him/her in charge of the physical aspect of Gun Marshal training. A controversial point perhaps, but it could reflect in a common standard of the resulting Marshals.

What do we teach:

Be polite

Be firm

Able to recognise a replica gun from a real one

To know how to check whether or not a weapon is loaded

To know how to check whether or not the weapon has been illegally or legally modified.

To know how to check whether a 'real' gun is loaded/cylinder is charged, primed/not primed

To know how to check thro' a valid/invalid FAC/SGC and check against the weapon and owner

Safe return of weapon to the owner OR removal of the weapon from the owner to a safe place, should the owner still wish to pass thro' the Marshalling Point.

Let us examine all of these sub headings:

Be Polite:

Meaning, to approach the examinee with a smile and a pleasant greeting, i.e. 'good evening' with the question as to whether or not he/she is carrying side/long arms (unless obvious). Ask the owner to demonstrate to you that the weapon is not loaded, a smile a friendly tone in the voice works wonders. Never take an aggressive stance, it never works at this moment in time.

Be firm:

Be firm as well as pleasant, you cannot take 'no' for an aswer, a 'no' means that this person cannot and will not pass your point, but will have to return from where he/she came. This is obviously the last resort, so your polite but firm stance is essential (being in authentic western dress will help enormously)

Gun recognition:

A difficult thing to do, but use your eyes, look for the offset cylinder i.e. chamber does not line up with the barrel/breech, look for primer nipples on the rear of cylinder, try to spot the barrel muzzle plug if fitted.

Checking the weapon (loaded or unloaded):

Most of the time the owner will pass the weapon to you for examination, so firstly check if it is not loaded. In the case of centre fire/rim fire 1873 models, open the loading gate, putting the hammer at half cock and rotating the cyclinder, checking that each chamber is empty. Should the weapon be a 'real' or live firer, then check that the nipples at the rear of the cylinder are free from primers and that there are no powder charges within any of the chambers. The only way to do this is once again putting the hammer in the half cock position and turning the pistol so you are able to view the front of the hambers in the cylinder, and check that none of the chambers are charged with powder. Long guns should be treated in the same way, excepting flintlocks, where the frizzen pan she be open, if it is closed, then the hammer is in the half cock position, so the frizzen pan could be primed ready to fire. BE CARFUL. Percussion locks can be treated in the same way as the pistols, but it is difficult to accertain whether or not it is loaded. As a general rule if you are suspicious, try the ramrod down the barrel, it should go most of the way down and should strike against the steel end plug of the barrel. The owner should have with him/her a current FAC/SGC for inspection. An antique weapon does not require any documentation at all, but again must not be loaded, if loaded needs certification as before.

Safe return:

Once a weapon has been successfully checked and has been found to be all correct, then the owner should be thanked for his/her co-operationb and handed back. Should the weapon fail. then the owner should be told what was found to be wrong, and that he/she could not pass your inspection point. He/she should be given the option to leave the weapon at the inspection point and to collect from your point once they leave the area. A reciept has to be issued for any weapon taken in care in this manner.

Note:

Marshals should be familiar with all forms of legal certification, FAC/SGC/Explosives Cert, validity dates, photograph,signiature, listings of specific weapns, and of course the signiature of the holder.

Concluding thoughts:

There is in place complex and punatice legislation covering our ownership and use of all types of firearms, icluding ones that have been deemed as not especially dangerous by the Secretary of State.

At the present time we do not want to enter into any argument on the rights and wrongs of the existing legislation, organisations such as The Sportsmans Assn are heavily involved in doing this.

We have to appreciate that our civil police forces are no longer pro-active, but have become more and more re-active. Bearing this in mind and successive governments knee jerk re-active punative legislation, we arrive at what we are attempting to do for ourselves.

We are in essence, self-policing our hobby in a that we are now proven to be able to self-police our hobby and that there is no need at all for yet more un-neccepro-active manner, using our technical knowledge and expertise and hopefully preventing incidents which would imperil the continuance of our chosen hobby.

Once we have this system up and running, then and only then will we be able to go to HMG and show them that we are now proven to be able to self-police our hobby and that there is no need at all for yet more un-necessary, ill conceived, legislation governing our hobby.

Jed

That's all I have come up with, would appreciate your comments, whether good or bad, as I don't profess to be god. I do feel strongly as you do yourself, and I despair at some 'westerners' attitude to what you are trying to achieve.

Forum: Western History & Re-enactment Forum

Jesse James Movie

Grizz — Sat, 06 Sep 2008 08:02:02 GMT

While watching the Jesse James Movie recently on Sky, the one starring Tyrone Power and Henry Fonda, I noticed that the scenes where Jesse's horse was shot from under him and when they are running from a robbery and leap off the cliff, have both been deleted. Could the reason be just modern "PC" or is there another reason, could it be that mabye horses were killed or injured making this movie?

Forum: Equestrian Forum

Bison bones.......

UncleStinky — Sat, 06 Sep 2008 01:00:48 GMT

http://www.cascity.com/forumhall/index.php/topic,22162.0.html

Forum: The Camp Fire

Fun time?

horseapples — Fri, 05 Sep 2008 22:53:48 GMT

Friends,
When the pistol ban came in many of us continued to shoot the same competitions but with lever action rifles, muzzle loading revolvers, buffalo rifles and more modern firearms. If you've ever fancied a go or just wanted to see them in action this is an ideal opportunity on many of your doorsteps about 3 miles off junction 3 of the M3. Queen Victoria opened the place and it was used for the annual matches between Britain and those damned colonials with their uncivilised breech loadin rifles. It's worth a look and on this weekend you can play too.

The NRA (yes, we have a National Rifle Association too) sent me this...
Tickets are selling out fast as this popular event attracts more and more interest. The NRA Open Day is a great way to try your hand at different shooting disciplines, and introduce family and friends to the sport.

So, if you havent already booked, to ensure you dont miss out on this great event, all you need to do is to click on the link below to book online.

http://www.nra.org.uk/common/asp/calendar/events.asp?site=NRA&id=1713

Ticket numbers are limited to restrict queues on the day and to ensure everyone has a good time.

We hope to see you there.

Forum: Guns of the Old West

looking for alaska

charlieWaite — Fri, 05 Sep 2008 22:12:14 GMT

I am looking for a man called doug parsonage goes by the handle of alaska
believe he comes from kent ..that is all i know.
any help appreciated and pm with details
charlie waite

Forum: The Camp Fire

Hats

luckylou — Fri, 05 Sep 2008 20:23:32 GMT

Further to monte,s advice to me and copperhead to burn our hats
(see campfire just for monte)what exactly is ok for say 1875 to 1890 the pictures ive seen show a vast array of styles what should be avoided
Lou

Forum: Western History & Re-enactment Forum