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p2p websites

ColoradoBR — Wed, 03 Dec 2008 22:31:25 GMT

Sean, why do you support p2p websties? And what do other dating coaches think about it, do they understand or they think you're crazy for doing it?
I'd love to hear other UCP coaches opinion on this.

Forum: About Us

Dating taller girls

lenz0223 — Wed, 03 Dec 2008 14:48:30 GMT

Has anyone had any experience dating taller women? I'm dating someone who's taller than me. I'm 5'9", she's 5'10" She's absolutely beautiful. Put on heels and she's 6'1"

I'm a pretty confident guy but looking up is kind of weird....

Forum: Ask LVo3.com

The girl i like is a lesbian

kuma — Tue, 02 Dec 2008 02:23:27 GMT

hey guys...just want to post my situation here...
http://www.websitetoolbox.com/tool/post/gettinggreatgirls/vpost?id=2886400
my previous post on the situation

today i bump into her in school by accident but i saw her and another girl(tomboy) they were alone in the hallway doing some close lesbian action(touching staring in each other's eyes etc...dunno the details on what they're doing but it would be something lovers would do.

anyways i passed by, feel so embarrassed for some reason...i shyly wave at her
didn't want to disturb them. her boyfriend turns around give me that "whos this guy?" kinda look. i told them i was just looking for my class room and walks away.

i went back after cus i really need to go to my class. saw them again but they are leaving. i said hi to her she said hi back but didn't look at me.

she looks so happy and cute with her bf and they were holding hands.

i don't know i was going to ask her out after our final but i guess i need to hold it back after this happened.
i want to go out with her still, i want her but is just i'm experience this conflict.......
i think i let her know but yeah......sigh

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Wish Me a Happy Birthday, Damnit!

seanmessenger — Mon, 01 Dec 2008 16:28:39 GMT

It's my birthday. So give me a gift, or I'll find you and steal your girl. ;)

Here are your options on my gift regsitry.

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2. If you can't make it in person, join me for the online Bootcamp, the UCP, this month with 4 new video and audio classes AND personal coaching from me (not some substitute, like some other people do. This is really me. You get what you pay for, and much mo'):

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3. If you're dead-broke (hey, the economy will turn around), save up now and sign up when you can, and for today, just stop by my Facebook, wish me sassy good times, and promise me we'll see each other soon. :)

http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=73918160514

Love, Peace, and Greeeeeat Sex,

Sean

http://lvo3.com

Forum: About Us

Listening to her cry...

John — Mon, 01 Dec 2008 07:20:44 GMT

Last night I went out with a few friends for drinks... and one girl had just a little to much and ended up breaking down in tears. She recently found out the guy she lost her virginity too had a girlfriend. I can't shake the imagine of her sitting there on the kitchen floor, with tears in her eyes, pleading to know from the depths of her soul, why men are always after her body but never after the girl underneath it all. "I really believe people are good". I am not sure if that was a question, a statement, or if she was repeating that like a talisman she could still hold on to. I picked her up off the floor, provided what comfort I could offer, and we talked as I drove her home.

I just don't have the words for the magnitude of it all. It hurt to see how her so hurt. It hurt to know that in some ways I've been no no less reckless when it comes to love.

It also pisses me off to no end that there are guys who wouldn't even give a shit that they hurt her. This is the other side of the "lay reports" you never get to see. While they are talking about how they DHV'd and got over her LMR and scored a virgin, that girl is at home crying, questing her faith in humanity, in love, and in herself, because some jerk played her.

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Happy Birthday Sean

Toniy — Mon, 01 Dec 2008 01:31:15 GMT

As far as I'm concerned, in the good ol' GMT time zone, it's the Main Man Messenger's birthday!

Wish you all the best buddy.

And as every 'Happy Birthday' should really mean...

I'm glad you were born.

All the very best mate,

Adam (Toniy)

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Note to self: speak to her body first

TB — Sat, 29 Nov 2008 05:28:48 GMT

Every first phone call, (shit, every phone call ever!) make sure to say or do something to get her feeling into her body and back into the state that she feels when she's with you. Make her feel good first, and get your self turned on. Then all the chit-chat will be way more pleasurable. In the context of turn-on, it's all a joy and your mind will come up with double entrendes to get her and you hella excited to meet up.

This is so I can remember that. I had the first phone call today with a girl that I met on the dancefloor () last week. The night we met, it was all our bodies doing the talking, and precious little verbal conversation. So on the follow up, there was little to go on, but I was remembering a really fun connection at the bar. (Just fessing up to this turned out to be the perfect voicemail message). Unfortunately, the timing of her return call wasn't great, because it caught both of us in a pretty low-energy, heady mood. So conversation was nice, polite, and mostly comfortable, which was fine. We got to know a little detail about each other, have a few light laughs, and make a date for next tuesday. Not bad. But really, a little boring. At no point in the phone call did I feel any turn-on.

I shoulda took it up a notch, right away! All it woulda took could have been me just recounting a bit of our night and telling her how into it it was. Then I would have started to feel turned on, and so would she. Ah, there we were! Resume fun banter and flirting!!!

The best first phone calls, this happens by accident. The two of you get back into that place, and since you are reminded, you're confident that you two will have a good time next time you meet up! Much more exciting to look forward to.

That call was a little boring, and actually, I'm a little less stoked about it than I could. So this makes me think it would be a good idea to remember this in the future. Do whatever it takes to get the juices flowing between you again. Like refreshing your browser. Yes, refresh that turned on energy!

-Tim

ps - yeah, this is what the community guys were talking about when they taught that "during phone game" you should always "run attraction" or "pump her buying temperature". They are smart, because they see that she needs to feel you again in order to be totally comfortable and eager to follow thru with your plans.
But they are not wise, because... uh, oh yeah, because they're freaking phonies. :)

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Question about your workout video

Magnatolia — Sat, 29 Nov 2008 01:20:12 GMT

Hey Sean,

Haven't seen the video yet but have a couple of questions. Does this benefit somebody with a super fast metabolism?

I don't have access to the gym as I change locations for work way too often so used to do a home workout. But because of my metabolism I never get any gains. I was going on protein shakes and high calorie eating plan but nothing really helped.

Thanks man

Forum: Ask LVo3.com

the 'dark spot' of pickup

ace_of_spades — Sat, 29 Nov 2008 00:44:33 GMT

In fairness, I don't know if it's called that. I heard someone on PUAF refer to it as 'the dark spot' and it seemed fair enough. This is a message I originally sent to Sean Messenger.

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Sean,

First of, brilliant thread . You make your points well, and it's one of the few threads I feel I'll be reading over and over again.

This journey into pickup has smashed tons of preconceived notions I've had about relationships. The sheer amount of cheating that's happening in this world is completely insane. I've broken up relationships, made out with married women, received a blowjob from a girl two weeks before her wedding... Looking back at it, I regret every one of those acts. I've seen my female friends do similar shit and... man, it's crazy.

My perception may be particularly skewed because I actually got into pickup after my girlfriend cheated on me. But I'm petrified because... well, getting girls to cheat seems way easier than it fucking should be.

So I'm at a point where I've lost faith in relationships which last. Supposedly, the winning move is not to play. The way I see it - the winning move is to never stop playing.

I guess what I'm trying to strain out here like an uncomfortable kidney stone is a cry for help. It may just be my neurotic nature, but I don't see myself trusting a girl now. Call me pathetic and mysogynistic, but I don't want it to be this way. I used to be a romantic and game took that away from me. The only meaningful relationship I've ever had was the one with my first girlfriend. After that - sure, it's been emotional. But not meaningful.

You are right - the game is a lie. A rather sucky one at that.

If you don't mind my asking - did you ever go through anything similar and if so, what the fuck do you do about it?

Maybe I'm just meeting the wrong girls. Maybe I'm just surrounded by people with flexible morals, or maybe - just maybe - I just haven't met the one yet and this skillset will be my tool for getting her once I meet her. Regardless, I'd love to hear your perspective on this.

To finish it off on a positive note - you rock and it's a privilege to have you on these boards. I'm looking forward to your further contributions

Your fan,

Ace of Spades

P.S. Apologies, this was a bit of a heavy message.

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Needless to say, I'd love to hear everyone's input on this.

Forum: Confessions

How Did You Meet Your Girlfriend?

seanmessenger — Fri, 28 Nov 2008 23:32:59 GMT

Better than a field report. This is the place to tell the story of how it happened, when it happened. Feel free to wax poetic.

I'll go first. :)

I met my girl at the pub at a hostel.

I came back from the beach in a good mood. Ran into a friend of mine. Sat to have a beer. The bartender asked me to program in some music, as I'd been complaining for days about the same mix, so I put in some old-school American hip-hop. When I went back to join my mate, two girls had joined the table. I introduced myself. The one across from me asked if I was the DJ tonight.

I said, "uh, nope. cos they have a real DJ coming in."

Cos, you know, I'm smooth. :)

Then she asked if I picked the music playing now. I said yep. And she said...

"Do you think hip-hop is dead?"

And she said it in a Central European accent. It was then I noticed that she was friggin gorgeous, and that, my friends, was the end of that. I was HOOKED.

I didn't let her get out of my sight the rest of the night, and I plan on doing the same till they shovel dirt on my grave. :)

Forum: Other Topics

Thoughts on your free 'how to make friends with cool guys'

Magnatolia — Fri, 28 Nov 2008 11:25:07 GMT

Hey Sean,

I just watched that video and it struck a chord with me. When I'm really in an awesome frame of mind guys tend to talk to me and approach me.

One night before I even started this guy approached me (I wasn't really interested as I was lost and late for an event) but would have been a perfect chance as he had to hot friends lol. That same night a guy literally grabbed me as I was walking past and introduced me to his female friend then wandered off. She wasn't too impressed so I wandered off (maybe would have been an opportunity for someone with skill).

Great video!

Forum: Ask LVo3.com

Find it hard to get into the right mindset. where to begin?

Magnatolia — Fri, 28 Nov 2008 08:54:03 GMT

Hey Sean, and others.

Sean, your blog is amazing. You put a lot of detail into what you write. And unlike most of the other gurus you have a more natural style that isn't based on techniques and routines.

To describe my situation. I only really started trying to pick up girls about 3 months ago. If I rock up to the bar beside a girl I can ask how her night is and if I get a poor response I eject. Heck my conversation skills in these situations are poor so even a good response doesn't get me far.

For example, I was at a club a few weeks back and some random guys thought I looked like harry potter (I get girls calling me this every now and then) and they started telling girls to come and meet harry potter. I think about 10-15 girls came over, one kissed me. Yet I stood there a bit stupid as I had absolutely no idea what to say/do. And now I want to work this into a fun playful opener but no idea how.

I don't think I've ever opened with anything else as I'm too nervous. And have no idea how to create attraction and rapport.

Even with friends I'm not a great conversationalist, I do get along with loads of people but would definitely like to get over my fears. Like when friends are about to get their photo taken I duck out of the way whereas a mate of mine jumps into the photo. And am always nervous about asking female friends to get a photo with me.

With the conversation side of things I tend to run out of things to talk about really quickly. Any ideas?

Mindset: I want to create a mindset where I can go in with complete confidence and strong energy and women will notice and maybe even open me.

My mindset tends to fluctuate randomly. I was at a singles party and at the end of it I approached one girl who I thought was part of the event. So I had no fear/anxiety because I assumed she was there to meet people. She wraps me in a hug then runs her hands down my chest. Unfortunately her friend 'needed' to go to the bathroom so they left. I again didn't know what to do/say.

Obviously my mindset only affects my ability to approach rather than the actual skill. Here are some random situations that I could have maybe done something:

1. Guys introduced me to a random girl as harry potter. She hugs then kisses me but it only lasted a couple of seconds because some guy dragged her away lol.
2. Girl in line at bar - I said hello she then hugs me and runs her hands down my chest. Her friend said she needed to go to the bathroom -I could have said something
3. Same venue, didn't realise I was walking near the ladies toilets. Said hi to a girl who was walking past me. Her friend said hi then stopped to chat to me and told her friend to wait for her inside and then left her in there for 5 minutes to chat to me. She then said she better go after her friend and said it was good meeting me. Idiot her should have done something, got hte number etc.
4. Girls occasionally randomly say 'harry potter' when I'm walking past but they don't actually engage me
5. This was a crackup. Girl gets on with her bf then looks at me and says she knows me from somewhere. Thinks about it for 5 minutes then finalyl figures out that I was the guy that chatted to her at the bus stop like a month ago. I said she had a good memory and she said that I have a distinctive face. Not sure which way to take that lol.

So I seem to have something going for me, but yeah gotta get my confidence and self-esteem issues sorted so I can learn to be way better.

Any thing you can suggest? Look forward to hearing your advice.

Thanks heaps

Forum: Ask LVo3.com

Alcoholism? Sure... Bipolar disorder, who me?

viper — Fri, 28 Nov 2008 01:58:24 GMT

This weekend, I went to see a girl. We'd been falling in love on the internet, and I made a 5 hour trip to stay with her. The first two days were better than awesome for both of us.

I've dealt with drinking problems, and I'd told her that, how bad they used to be. She has had her own booze problems. day 3 I just fell right into a pattern where I just drank all day long and eventually she got so uncomfortable she left her own house with me in it and I left the next day. After she left, I got more wasted, and made things remarkably worse.

I didn't really become myself until I was halfway home. It was shocking. She is probably never going to want that kind of thing with me again. Honestly, I wasn't going to pursue a serious relationship with her anyway. Would be good for the odd visits, but we were in love, so yeah it was a pretty shitty buzz.

When I got home, i wrote her some letters, trying to explain how I could not have that happen again and things could still be ok. We've been talking, but things are not going well. She called me happy go lucky! don't be so happy go lucky. Why are you so up all the time? This and other things led me to see she's not the kind of girl I want anyway. I'm not sad really about what happened at all, what matters it what comes after...

I am the most happy go lucky guy, its what I like about myself! I laugh when things aren't funny, lennon used to do that too, like when he heard his friend died he laughed.

But this drinking behavior and losing/hurting a girl really shocked me. I spent 7 hours in silence commuting, thinking to myself about this. When I got home, I randomly started perusing my favorite sites, totally distracting myself. I came across Soporno speaking for an hour at real man conference. It really, really, really helped me in that shitty mind state, start making some positive changes, and feeing really good.

Then I decided to check out the warrior training video. Hey I was falling to pieces so I figured I should build it back together. And something really amazing happened. I can't remember where I read or saw it, but I learned sean has bipolar II

Sean, after hearing you mention it, I read the wikipedia article, and finally accepted it was true. People had been suggesting it for quite a while, but I was too proud. I sent them all away. Right down to the stress induced halluncinations, delusions of grandeur (once I thought I was jesus and meant to save the world from atomic bombs, thank god that was temporary) One time my mom even called the cops cause I was breaking my room apart bawling. I had to sign the form that said I was fine, i didnt want to go to the hospital.

I'm scared of doctors and medication. I want to believe i can get better by sheer willpower, exercise and nutrition, among other extremely hippie healing stuff you probably have never heard of.

I still don't know that I'm just gonna waltz into see a psychiatrist, try some medications.

I'm scared of doctors and medication. I want to believe i can get better by sheer willpower, exercise and nutrition, among other extremely hippie healing stuff you probably have never heard of.

I went to the CAMH website and they were basically talking about me. I can't hold down a job, I can't focus on work, my old fiance booted me out. I could never make anything happen. Sheer denial man.

I am 100% aware that I need to be properly diagnosed, that I'm not a psychiatrist. 450 bucks? damn dude. I'm in canada. Free health care.

I watch the news closely, so I know there was a big controversy over the supplement EMPower Plus (truehope.com) with health canada and I know it helps at least some people. I'm going to max out the natural healing route before I'd ever try medication.I believe in the power of the body and brain to heal itself, but I don't want to ignore a better life just to be "natural", so here i go.

This is only my first post because I never am comfortable with what I write on forums like this. I will like, be worrying about it when I'm sleeping.

"They obsess about having let others down or having said the wrong things - and they feel very guilty."

Anyway, if it wasn't for sean being open about this, a guy like me would might have stayed in denial for another 10 years, or until something really weird happened again. I never sought treatment or went to anyone when I had a severe, month-long delusional episode. My family had their own problems and I just coped somehow. Unbelivable in restrospect that I just crawled out of that. I chalked it up to stress and drugs. I wasn't even on drugs at the time. lol

*******

So I just thought I'd share. One day I'm gonna die, and I don't care anymore, I love my life, I love everybody I know and all I wanna do is have a happy life and serve my community.

And when help is there, it's a manly thing to take stregth and power from an ally. I'm not giving in asking for help, I'm going into survival battle with the greatest health warriors I can find.

*******

if you have any advice, please share. Thanks for being around.

OneLove!

Forum: Confessions

asking tough questions

trd323 — Thur, 27 Nov 2008 16:45:56 GMT

I have been dating this girl and really have fun with her when we are together and about 3 weeks ago we made it "official"but as my life got busy so did hers. So now we dont get to really hang out as much ; maybe once a week. Also, talking on the phone has dropped to maybe twice a week.
So, as far as relationships go, I do like the person to call me and text me and just make you feel wanted; I mean I dont want a psychopath that calls 10 times a day either. But then when we do hang out it is very nice and loving, and when she does send me texts twice a week its also seems she does want to be in a relationship.It just seems like she is getting advice from friends and mags about not being too clingy, giving him space, etc.
I guess I want to be able to ask the tough questions without sounding like I am giving her an ultimatum. Like are you seeing some one else? why dont you call often? etc.

Can you guys give me some suggestions?

Forum: Ask LVo3.com

LR: Same Night Lay Report - After Party Hookup w/ Pic

Edge — Tue, 25 Nov 2008 03:27:25 GMT

(Picture is currently up on my blog in case I ever need to take it down.)

Several weekends ago, Legend and I decide to throw a pretty large bash at my place. Roughly one hundred guests came, all ready to party.

I'm walking around, making my rounds as the host and chatting with people, having a great time. I'm meeting all sorts of hot women and we're bantering and joking around with each other. All over the room, girls are looking at me and smiling.

Everyone is getting steadily more and more drunk and happy. I'm thinking, "This is awesome... this is one of the best parties I've been to in a long, long time and it's my party." Things could not get any better

Then things changed...

I go outside to my deck to make sure everyone is doing well. I walk to the edge of the deck and look down the hill at the entrance to my house. A taxi cab is just sitting there.

Legend goes, "Want me to check it out?" "Yeah, that guy needs to get out of here." So Legend is making his way down the hill as four girls get out of the taxi. The taxi pulls away and they all start screaming!!!

"We're fucked now," I say to myself.

See, I have a real bitch of a neighbor that is not particularly a fan of my parties. Even though my parties can't be heard from her house, she will call the cops at the slightest disturbance. Sucks, but it is what it is.

Apparently, one of friends of these screaming girls passed out in the cab and it was pulling away with her in it!

Inevitably, the cops show up at the party (the neighbor called because of the screaming) and instantly liquidate the party.... I mean, the guests just evaporated... Bye bye smiling pretty ladies.

So, feeling bummed, Legend and I walked down the street to find another party. My neighbors let us in and we sipped some beers and exchanged some words about the unfortunate fate of our party.

Eventually, I go back to my house only to find that some of the guests had returned! They were chatting with my roommates and hanging out.

One particular girl caught my interest - a tall, mocha-skinned hottie in a white dress with long, delicious legs. Gorgeous face, beautiful hair, nice pert breasts. "Nice," I said to myself, "I want that one."

So I joined in the conversation and moved about the room talking with the after-party guests. Finally, I made my way over to the girl.

We chatted lightly and she asked me if I was working the entrance at the beginning of the first party we had. "Yes, I was." She says, "Oh my god... I thought you were so hot that night... I introduced myself, remember?" I say, "Uhh... yeah? You did?" She says, "Yes! I did..."

As she's saying all this, she's smiling and moving in close. I'm pretty pleased about interaction this so far... I'm barely even doing anything!

Some of the factors that are working in my favor are: she remembers me from the last party as someone working the door (which shows I can handle people being idiots), she knows I am the host (I give value to people through my parties, she's been watching me being the host (I'm talking to everyone, being social, and everyone is responding well to me). I like the idea of setting up massive social proof and value ahead of time instead of having to "game" the girl anyway.

So our conversation itself is not extremely complex, but the communication with our bodies was very clear: we are into each other.

Soon enough, her friends come to grab her and take her home. They ask her if she wants to go or stay. "Oh yeah, I'm going in a second." She whispers to me, "I don't want to go just yet."

She and I keep chatting and then the friend appears, "Do you want to go or stay?" She says, "Oh yeah... Just give me a sec." I say, "I have a car and I work over near where you guys live... I could give you a ride, it's not a problem. No sense in you paying for a cab."

The friend asks, "Really, you will? You would do that?" "Sure, I just need to grab my keys..."

So I grab my girl and bring her upstairs to get my keys. As I enter the room, I give her a mini tour. She grabs me and starts making out with me.

We're making out for a good five minutes when I interrupt. "What about your friends... What would your friends think?" She says, "They can wait." Hehe, awesome.

After another five minutes, I hear a knock at the door. I hear, "Hey, we found a ride home. Thanks anyway for offering to drive. Are you OK to get home?"

"Yes," she says and returns to making out with me. With logistics out of the way, I am pretty much free to keep going with her right away.

Now I have written lay reports before... In some of them I run into last minute resistance (LMR), in others I don't. I am perfectly fine with either scenario and I have found that the more "fine with it" I have become, the less likely a girl will become fearful of getting sexual. As much as I talk about getting laid, I do take every woman's feelings and experience into consideration. I think it's my job (as a good man) to do everything I can for her to have an amazing experience.

Another thought I have on last minute resistance is that the girl is never resisting me. What she is resisting is the fear that she's feeling inside about having sex. The fear is very real for her and needs to be addressed - when I am able to skillfully address it (through acknowledgment, through reassurance, through understanding, through making her more comfortable/slowing down, etc.), she is more than happy to continue.

This particular girl did not resist sex all that much. She did slow things down a few times and wasn't ready for me to simply tear all her clothes off immediately, but I just continued kissing her in different areas (mouth, neck, ears, chest) and running my hands over her body (back, arms, legs, inner thighs, side abdomen, etc.)

Eventually all of her clothes come off and we were in business.

The next day we end up spending just about the whole day together - time just flew by. I will go into detail on what sorts of things I do with girls when I'm not having sex with them because I feel that this blog will be better rounded with relationship topics as well as pick-up and hook-up topics.

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